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September 27

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Category:Melodeonists by nationality

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Melodeon. Category:Scottish melodeonists will be merged as well. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:23, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one nationality in this category Mason (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:9th century in the Holy Roman Empire

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename.
Nominator's rationale: Holy Roman Empire didn't really exist until the coronation of Otto I in 962. (it's arguable that the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire was 800 when Charlemagne was crowned). But in this case the category is extremely underpopulated. Mason (talk) 23:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Australian convict women

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Something to make it clearer who belongs in the category, parent is "Convicts transported to Australia" Mason (talk) 21:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:18+

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:12, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is blatant nonsense. —theMainLogan (tc) 21:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Radio in Senegambia

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:13, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category since there is no content beside for the separate countries. Trivial intersection between geographical region and media. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
delete. I agree that this is trivial intersection Mason (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hunters from the Russian Empire

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Hunters from the Russian Empire

Category:Russian municipal police chiefs

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Russian municipal police chiefs

Category:Anti-capitalists from the Russian Empire

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Anti-capitalists from the Russian Empire

Category:Russian Empire escapees

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Russian Empire escapees

Category:Adoptees in the Russian Empire

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Adoptees in the Russian Empire

Category:British people in colonial Australia

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:British people in colonial Australia

Category:14th-century BC mayors

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:14th-century BC mayors

Category:Biologists from British India

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Biologists from British India

Category:Social workers in British India

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Social workers in British India

Category:Trade unionists in British India

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Trade unionists in British India

Category:Linguists in British India

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Linguists in British India

Category:Circus performers in British India

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Circus performers in British India

Category:Scholars in British India

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Scholars in British India

Category:Albanians in Yugoslavia

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Yugoslav Albanians. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 23:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Ethnic Albanian people

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Ethnic Albanian people

Category:Ethnic Albanian writers

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Albanian-language writers. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:18, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: parent category is being requested to merge Mason (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Scientists from the German Empire

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German scientists. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:17, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Artists from the German Empire

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German artists. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:17, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Architects from the German Empire

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German architects. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Sculptors from the German Empire

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German sculptors. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Astronomers from the German Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:German astronomers. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Oppose: the German Empire included, at least for a while, parts of what is now Poland and France, and had many citizens who did not consider themselves German: this sort of hedge is potentially useful for people whose self-identification is no longer possible to recover (not German/German Empire, but Nicolaus Copernicus is the crowning example). UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Redirects from UK postcode districts

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 16:00, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Match the naming style of the parent category (Category:Redirects from postal codes), and that of the rcat template ({{R from UK postcode}}), neither of which add the word district. user:A smart kittenmeow 10:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
... and it may be worth noting Category:Postcode areas of the United Kingdom Thincat (talk) 12:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Yes, it's a question of word usage because a lot of people do say postcode when they mean only the district. I agree with Thincat that the terms are area (XX), district (XX99) and code (XX99 9ZZ). I'm suggesting a keep because we should really comply with terms that are strictly correct but I can well understand confusion arising: my postcode bears no relation at all to where I actually live (wrong postal town and wrong county)! PearlyGigs (talk) 14:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:PSOTY

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted per CfD on 9JUN2023, but the only difference I notice from before is one additional album and a few more categorized redirects. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 09:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Priests in South Africa

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category is more useful as a nationality category Mason (talk) 04:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emigrants from British Overseas Territories to the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Immigrants to the United Kingdom. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think that we should either delete this category OR convert it into the parent category Mason (talk) 02:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bhutanese musicians by instrument

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: only one category that could easily be in the main category Mason (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Found several more instruments that are solo instruments
Nominator's rationale: Found another fairly empty by "instrument" Mason (talk) 23:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Romans who received the grass crown

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 01:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the parent category (Ancient Romans) and making it clearer when the context is Mason (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional noms from 20:01, 27 September 2023
Nominator's rationale: Same reasoning of consistency/clarity Mason (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all as outlined because the context is important. At first glance, Category:Roman prisoners of war could easily mean Italian soldiers in World War II who came from Rome. PearlyGigs (talk) 13:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom (and as creator of one of them). Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Great. I'll try to dig around to see if there are any I missed. Mason (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I note that the word "Romans" nearly always means "ancient Romans"; while technically it could be used for inhabitants of medieval or modern Rome, there can't be that many uses of the term in English compared with examples of Romans from antiquity. And most of these categories consist entirely of ancient Romans, some of them because the concepts they relate to belong exclusively to ancient Rome (for example, no Romans were deified after the fourth century; there were no Roman gentes or equites or patricians [except in a very limited sense, not the classical one] post-Roman Empire). So in many cases, "ancient" is redundant and a little bit ridiculous. Doing a silly thing just to keep everything consistent, even when there's no risk of confusion, seems like a poor rationale. P Aculeius (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unnecessary Per P Aculeius. Adding "ancient" in these cases is redundant. In every case it is clear that "Roman" means "ancient Romans"; I can't believe anyone would confuse "Roman prisoners of war" with Italian POWs of any war from Rome, & that would not be a notable category. Further, in some cases adding "ancient" would actually lead to some confusion, for example would some think "ancient Roman patricians" excludes Roman Patricians who flourished during the Empire? Hypercorrectness would engender this kind of confusion. -- llywrch (talk) 20:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename All Don't disagree that the additional word is needed on some but not all of the individual categories. But consistency here will help with both reader navigation and keeping it simple for category creators. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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